obama and romney came close to it. they touched on it. >> host: it came up in one debate. >> guest: there was some common ground they found, which my former newspaper, the times in an editorial said sort of, it was meaningless. well, it's not meaningless. if you're going to change the way people commit gun violence, not the guns themselves, how do you get it to behavior that leads people to troubled neighborhoods in our cities? in new york there are community guns that peoples -- and fire hydrants or streetlamps. you could do something about that. you could pass a law and impose a heavy penalty on using a community can. new york in 2006 raise the minimum sentence for using, having a loaded illegal gun on you to, three and half years. i think you could make it even higher and that might make it clear to people who provide guns illegally to people who can't buy them because their names are on that list in washington and west virginia. and ics list. >> host: that is the list that is accessed when you do a background check